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hello smile.gif

my father told me , russia was a huge and strong country long time ago.but after america split CCCP some countries become very poor and most people died from starvation.is that true ? dntknw.gif
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Цитата(zet09 @ 24.3.2012, 9:48) *
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you totally misunderstand me.anyway forget it newspaper.gif
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Yes, USSR was a great and strong country, but it have been splitted not because of any USA actions - they were too weak to did it. There was a lot of inner reasons. And when our country turned into a lot of different separate countries, a lot of people became live worse in almost every of these new countries, it's the well-known fact, alas.
By the way, you should call topics with intelligent titles, "Hello" title is not correspond to topic's contents.

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thanks. smile.gif


sorry.please fix the title. i can't edit it now sad.gif

i think " something about USSR " is better topic.
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Hi, American here. I am fascinated that someone from Sri Lanka (which might as well be Russia, to someone like me) would hear something like "America split the USSR" ... it is the kind of thing I would expect to hear much more in my country than anywhere else... and even then, mainly only from a certain segment of people (the 50% of our population which is conservative/Republican).

Maybe this is not what was being asked, but I thought I would share a bit in the interest of understanding. In the USA there's still a widespread belief, mainly among the older and more conservative people, that the collapse of the Soviet Union was mainly a result of American ideology simply prevailing/"winning" in the battle against pre-Gorbachev Soviet ideology. American ideology was freedom, capitalism, democracy, openness, progress, and "good". Soviet ideology was repression, communism, totalitarianism, secrecy, stagnation, and "evil". These were not separate things, either; if there was communism, then there was all the other bad stuff, too.

Everyone my age and older (40+), when we were kids in school (up to grade 12 / age 18), we learned from history books which were written during the Cold War, so this kind of rhetoric was part of the everyday language. It sounded plausible, and anyone who questioned it was considered a traitor. Many of us also had parents in the military, which was always anticipating that the enemy was going to be the Communists and the Socialists (the words were interchangeable)—the Russians, Chinese, North Vietnamese, North Koreans, Sandinistas, whoever. It was thought they were going to attack us, take away our guns, draft our children to fight in their armies, impose their backward economy on us, take away all our freedoms, impose censorship and corrupt regimes with dictators, imprison or kill all the dissidents, force us to wait in bread lines, take away consumer choices, take away wealth, and so on.

It was the time of the Iron Curtain, so nothing but propaganda ever came from the communist countries, and our own journalists only reported the bad news about those places. As far as we knew, these nightmare scenarios of death and suffering and repression were exactly the kind of thing that had happened in Southeast Asia, and it was happening in Central America, and it is what we heard had happened in the Soviet Union in the days of Stalin and could just as easily be happening today (how could we know?), so we felt we had good reason to be afraid. And...we all were afraid that Russia was going to start a nuclear war.

It was a crazy and terrible time in which to exist, a time of fear and suspicion. But it was also a time when people felt very certain and justified and fortunate to be born in a free country. It was a time when people thought much more (albeit shallowly) about ideology and political philosophy, rather than about celebrity gossip and Transformers movies. In a way, I wish politicians today would speak more about principles and right vs. wrong, but nevertheless, I hope we never go back to those days ... except in music!

Anyway, one popular theory about the end of the USSR is that a communist economy couldn't compete in a global marketplace driven largely by capitalist forces; the pace of everything was just faster in the capitalist/free-market world; everything was growing and technology was advancing, and everyone was successful (well, almost everyone). An adjunct to that theory is that on a fundamental level, humans have certain needs which are better met by free markets, entrepreneurship, and private ownership of property, and that's why even in places where those things are outlawed, there's always a thriving black market based on those things. Even among Democrats (the moderate liberals, approx. 50% of the population), this is a widely held belief.

Of course, the actual reasons things turned out the way they did are much more complicated. It is something that's still being studied and explained, and no one really has all the answers, but I think it is pretty certain, although maybe not well-known in the West, that the reasons are mainly because of things happening inside the USSR, not so much what was going on outside. It was certainly not a case of the U.S. "breaking up the Soviet Union" through economics and ideology. All the Russians didn't wake up one day and say "we like the way the Americans do everything; let's be like them!" Maybe that's what the older and more conservative Americans believe happened, but it doesn't matter...no one cares! These people who think these things have a lot of power right now, but they are running on momentum, and one day they will be old and their views will be irrelevant.

I don't know what the kids' history books say now. I get the impression that the younger generations, they are generally indifferent; Russia is very far away, still, and hardly anyone knows a Russian or anyone who has even traveled there. So to them, it is just a strange place they hear about sometimes, but don't really think about or have an opinion about.

People who pay attention to the news are very wary and skeptical of Putin, but as long as Russia isn't invading any free countries and getting into a war of words against us, it's much more interesting to think about XBox games and silly YouTube videos ... no one thinks for very long about anything too serious... thinking.gif
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Politicians who not sure in themselves positions often try to find an "outer enemy" and use it to scare people. But now a lot of us could travel and personally see that in every country live good and pleasant people. And only politicians still try to resurrect the image of outer enemy.

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Oh happy to see american friend here hi.gif

i also have foreign friends and i'm not against american people, because they aren't evil as their government yes2.gif

actually bacause of american people , we download movies for free and everything. and we also enjoy american music . so take it easy my friend.and thanks for explanation .
i just heard something and just want to know about more.that's all. pardon.gif

and i'm not with you for one point.America invade countries that are not listen to it (ex : IRAQ , LIBIA ) and latest try is Sri Lanka. (i believe you heard about Geneva agenda about human rights last week/ channel 4 incident ) creates fake video about my country. sad.gif

so i belive this is not a proper place to talk about that nea.gif (but still you want to know something i have good examples to prove that dance.gif )

so i'm not against any normal american people.please understand that.

Have a nice day drinks.gif

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Romantic Warrior- american friend unsure.gif Не понял.В Америку переехал что ли наш админ whistling.gif

Сообщение отредактировал zet09 - 26.3.2012, 4:33
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Цитата(zet09 @ 26.3.2012, 8:28) *
Romantic Warrior- american friend unsure.gif Не понял.В Америку переехал что ли наш админ whistling.gif



not Romantic Warrior nea.gif i mean DerevnyaIdiot is a american yes2.gif
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Цитата(DerevnyaIdiot @ 25.3.2012, 16:32) *
..... and our own journalists only reported the bad news about those places. As far as we knew, these nightmare scenarios of death and suffering and repression were exactly the kind of thing that had happened in Southeast Asia, and it was happening in Central America, and it is what we heard had happened in the Soviet Union in the days of Stalin and could just as easily be happening today (how could we know?), so we felt we had good reason to be afraid. And...we all were afraid that Russia was going to start a nuclear war.

It was a crazy and terrible time in which to exist, a time of fear and suspicion. But it was also a time when people felt very certain and justified and fortunate to be born in a free country. It was a time when people thought much more (albeit shallowly) about ideology and political philosophy, rather than about celebrity gossip and Transformers movies. In a way, I wish politicians today would speak more about principles and right vs. wrong, but nevertheless, I hope we never go back to those days ... except in music!


That's because your journalists were ordered to select what sort of news they should give to American viewers. Plain and simple. In a wonderful Art how-to-win-informational-wars the USA were and still are way ahead of the USSR / Russian Federation. You really think that the situation was totally changed after destruction of the Iron Curtain and fall of the USSR? Check recent american headlines about "those Evil Russians in Chechnya", "bloody Serbs", "dictatorship in Venezuela", " rogue North Korea", "Asad's oppressors in Syria", "barbaric Iran going nuclear" etc etc. Remember well-known words of George Dubya " you're either with us or against us?" Every country may be easily labelled as "rogue" in case of disobeying rules of Pax Americana. As for current US-Russian relations, we were and still are strongest antagonists on a field of geopolitics.
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Цитата(Saipan @ 26.3.2012, 18:51) *
That's because your journalists were ordered to select what sort of news they should give to American viewers.

Heh, absolutely the same situation was in the USSR newspapers wink.gif It's like a kind of mirror or just two sides of the one medal. So there was not right and wrong side or country, because both of them just have promoted their own interests in compliance with inner political course. Alas, but a lot of people still can't forget all of that ravings...

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Цитата(Romantic Warrior @ 27.3.2012, 1:12) *
It's like a kind of mirror or just two sides of the one medal. So there was not right and wrong side or country, because both of them just have promoted their own interests in compliance with inner political course.


Exactly. At least, that's why Russia Today multilanguage media channel was created wink.gif Americans turned out to be excellent teachers in media wars and we learned all lessons smile.gif
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Цитата(Saipan @ 26.3.2012, 21:51) *
......Every country may be easily labelled as "rogue" in case of disobeying rules of Pax Americana.


at last someone here talks about truth yes2.gif
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Цитата(qazxsw @ 27.3.2012, 3:48) *
Цитата(Saipan @ 26.3.2012, 21:51) *
......Every country may be easily labelled as "rogue" in case of disobeying rules of Pax Americana.


at last someone here talks about truth yes2.gif


"At last", you said ? Seems, you have never been on Russian forums before ! wink.gif

By the way : Cold War is over, huh? Russia is a number 1 foe for the USA, according to President-Candidate Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney: Russia is America's 'number one geopolitical foe'

Mitt Romney has been dragged into the Obama open mic row after describing Russia as America's "number one geopolitical foe" in an interview with CNN.
The Republican front-runner was reacting to comments made by President Obama in South Korea on Monday where he told Russia's Dmitri Medvedev he would have more flexibility on missile defence after his reelection.

"This is my last election," Obama was recorded by ABC News as saying. "After my election, I have more flexibility."

"I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir," Mr Medvedev, Russia's outgoing president, responded.

Neither Medvedev nor Obama intended for the comments to be made public.

Mitt Romney's political camp was quick to jump on the gaffe, calling it a sign that Obama intends to campaign on one policy but implement another.

Speaking to CNN's Wolf Blitzer from the campaign trail in San Diego, Mitt Romney said he found Obama's candid remarks "alarming" and "troubling".

"Russia continues to support Syria, supports Iran, has fought us with crippling sanctions we wanted to have the world put in place against Iran. Russia is not a friendly character on the world stage and for this president to be looking for greater flexibility where he doesn't have to answer to the American people in his relations with Russia is very very troubling, very alarming. This is a president who is telling us one thing and is doing something else," he said in the live broadcast.

Mitt Romney then went further, describing the nation as America's number one foe.

"This is without question our number one geopolitical foe. They fight every cause for the world's worst actors. The idea that he has more flexibility in mind for Russia is very very troubling indeed, " he said.

After Wolf Blitzer challenged the statement, Mr Romney explained: "The greatest threat the US faces is a nuclear Iran ... [But] who is it who always stands up for the world's worst actors? It's always Russia, typically with China alongside."

The Telegraph

Romney's interview


In addition :

An enemy or foe is a relativist term for an entity, whether an individual or a group, that is seen as forcefully adverse or threatening. The concept of an enemy has been observed to be "basic for both individuals and communities".[1] The term "enemy" serves the social function of designating a particular entity as a threat, thereby invoking an intense emotional response to that entity.[2] The state of being or having an enemy is enmity.

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Now I have a question. Does anyone here believe in Obama's "reset", "reload" or whatever else toward to Russian Federation?
Share your opinions, please.
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Цитата(Saipan @ 27.3.2012, 19:25) *
"At last", you said ? Seems, you have never been on Russian forums before ! wink.gif


actually i'm still having trouble to understand your language.i can , but very little smile.gif

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Now I have a question. Does anyone here believe in Obama's "reset", "reload" or whatever else toward to Russian Federation?
Share your opinions, please.


you mean america is going to build new relationship with Russia ? unsure.gif

if you mean that.i like to say " never keep relationships with deadly Snakes " jokingly.gif
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Romney is trying desperately to find the magic words that will keep him on top of this doomed race long enough to win his party's nomination; i.e. so he can become the man who will lose to Obama in November. His intended audience is not the world or even the entire U.S., it's just the delegates and swing voters within the Republican party: a small group of older people who live in the past, are not very smart, and are easily manipulated (in my not-so-humble opinion). So anything he says is just a bunch of pandering to this small group of morons, nothing more. He will not be elected President and any crazy or inflammatory words he uttered will be forgotten after the first week of November. Don't take him seriously.

(note: I am biased!) whistling.gif
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Цитата(DerevnyaIdiot @ 28.3.2012, 20:53) *
...a small group of older people who live in the past, are not very smart, and are easily manipulated (in my not-so-humble opinion). So anything he says is just a bunch of pandering to this small group of morons, nothing more. He will not be elected President and any crazy or inflammatory words he uttered will be forgotten after the first week of November. Don't take him seriously.

(note: I am biased!) whistling.gif


Okay, bud and thank you for details good.gif Seems, neocons are really trying now to regain their former might of Dubya leadership time...
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Well, It was predictable : Dubya backs Romney


Ex-President George H.W. Bush to Back Romney, Campaign Says

By Lisa Lerer - Mar 29, 2012 5:23 AM GMT+1100

Mitt Romney, the front-runner in the Republican presidential contest, will receive the backing of former President George H.W. Bush tomorrow, Romney's campaign announced today.

Bush's endorsement is part of an accelerating effort by Romney and his allies to have top Republicans unite behind him as part of persuading his rivals for the nomination to end their candidacies.
A series of elected officials, business leaders and party activists have endorsed Romney in the past week, including one of Bush's sons, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Former first lady Barbara Bush has also formally backed Romney and recorded calls for voters voicing her support played before March 6 primaries in Ohio and Vermont.

Another of the elder Bush's sons, former President George W. Bush, has yet to endorse in the Republican race.

The elder Bush, 87, has made public comments praising Romney while withholding an actual endorsement. He will provide it tomorrow afternoon at his office in Houston, according to Romney's campaign.

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It reminds me a movie "Dumb and dumber" (Тупой и ещё тупее) wink.gif
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Цитата(qazxsw @ 28.3.2012, 0:04) *
if you mean that.i like to say " never keep relationships with deadly Snakes " jokingly.gif


Couldn't agree with you more ! wink.gif
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